Name: Els (Signed) · Date: June 10, 2012 03:10 pm · For: Chapter 6
Wow that's like the second time Luke's nearly been raped! Poor Luke...Poor Noah
LOVE this story though :D
Author's Response: Thanks so much for this amazing comment Els! For some reason Nukefic never notified me of it! Annoying! But it was a lovely surprise to find it tonight... thanks for taking the time to let me know what you think...
Name: Loahisi (Signed) · Date: March 18, 2012 06:37 am · For: Chapter 6
Thank god for Maddie and Jonathan. I'm still afraid of what people can do and the way you describe Oliver, it was really scary and realistic.
I'm glad that through all of this Luke and Noah remain together. Luke is really Sherlock holmes for understanding what Oliver was doing.
Oh and what a cliffhanger it was.
Author's Response: Thanks so much for this amazing comment Loahisi! For some strange reason I was never notified by Nukefic about it so I missed it! Imagine my surprise and delight to find it now! Really pleased you enjoyed this and thanks so much for the lovely thoughts...
Name: neddiheht (Signed) · Date: December 29, 2011 06:30 am · For: Chapter 6
I know my comments have you questioning this bit, and I want you to know that wasn't my intention at all. I wanted to talk about some aspects of the rape trauma because this is a long series. Because Noah might think, or want to think, many times that he's over it. But he's likely to take years or even decades to recover fully. That doesn't mean that he can't get past it to be with Luke sexually... it's just I felt like that was a little too quick here. And that's okay, it's even explained in the story... it's just that now that Noah has his memories back, he's likely to end up sometimes just aborting sex in the middle of everything, thrown back into those memories because Luke's hand brushed him in the wrong way, in the wrong spot. He's likely to be very reluctant to bottom for a long time. He's likely to suddenly be filled with the memory of the rape in the middle of sex and suddenly get really uncomfortable... and because it's Noah, he's going to be likely to deny it and try to keep going. And Luke is going to notice.
And all of that is okay. And having the issues of Oliver reappear in later chapters isn't just okay, it's important, because they would keep coming up for Noah... as I said, perhaps years and decades later, especially if he doesn't get professional help to work through them. I'd hate to have you eliminate something from a future story because of my comments. I'd just ask that when the issues come up in your story that you put an appropriate warning there (as you've now done in Chapter 2 here).
I don't want you to get freaked out by my comments. I feel a little like my comments here struck you so much that the real content of my comments on the next story in the series were minimized by the references back to this one. I'd hate for that to happen. Rape of men happens. It's important for it to be talked about, carefully. I think you've managed that here. You made a few mistakes here and there... it's fairly clear you're not a male survivor of rape, and since so few male survivors of rape talk about it, you can't be blamed for needing to guess at what the reactions are like. But it's still important for it to appear. It made me happy, even though it was hard to read... because it's very taboo in our society for men to talk about their rape experiences, because we feel very invisible, and ashamed a lot of the time about it. And realistic portrayals are usually avoided. And you've done one here, and you should be proud of having done it well.
Don't let my comments scare you off from writing more about this later. Noah's experience here will affect him probably his entire life. It should come up later. That you were thinking about bringing it back up in a later section means you were doing something right. Just don't forget a warning in the author's notes. And please understand if those sections are harder for me to comment on.
Name: neddiheht (Signed) · Date: December 19, 2011 07:51 am · For: Chapter 6
Okay... I know I'd said I'd comment on these... but I just can't. It's not that it's poorly done, though some elements I do struggle with, it's that for the most part it's very well done, and as a result it really hits me right in the gut where I try to forget.
So I'll try for a few general comments, rather than detailed chapter by chapter ones.
Noah's last name is Mayer... and it ends up misspelled as Mayor a lot, which could be an autocorrect thing.
Luke is going to need to get further than the back garden to scream without Noah noticing or waking up or getting upset that HE is causing Luke pain. He's going to feel lost, guilty, dirty... and way more things than that.
It's a nice thought that contact with someone you love is still tolerable. But it often doesn't work or takes TIME to work, and we don't see that.
I struggle that Noah would be willing to let Maddie know, though I recognize that for the events you planned it's crucial. What I don't get though... Maddie knows Luke is loaded, why doesn't she ask for hel? It's not to help Luke, it's to help Noah... he'd readily make sure she could be there and would think nothing of the cost of a ticket.
The idea that the courts would look unfavorably on Noah being drunk... a jury might, but the law doesn't. In fact the law is pretty clear. He was drunk, so it's not possible for him to consent. There's some doubt here in the police that I think is a societal projection... most rape victims don't report it. this is true even more of men than women.
I want to see Noah really angry... but we don't see that until Oliver is trying to hurt Luke. What we don't see is the anguish... Noah held onto only being with Luke as a symbol of being true to his love for Luke. You even mention that. But knowing that not only had he lost that, but he'd lost it because he was raped... Yes, Noah can hold in those feelings, but when they explode... you're likely to see more than sobbing and shaking. Even if he has help and support. Wanting to set it aside and forget it, sure. But also bouts of just...
I dunno if I can explain this. I was 12. I'm 37. When someone touches me from behind and I don't know who it is... I still sometimes come to myself realizing that I have them a foot off the ground against a wall. It's been 25 years. I've had therapy and talked through it with friends and I have a husband who I broke up with initially in part because the texture of his skin was the same... The rape is realistic. The reactions just...
I realize that everyone reacts differently. But everyone reacts. It's been 25 years and I still react... mostly people can't tell, but I do. That people can hold it in... it's true, they can. But it affects you every day, whether you want to admit it or not. So I'm not saying Noah isn't reacting. I'm just... I'm not seeing a depth or range of reaction. I'm seeing anger. I'm not seeing loss or identity or trust or any of a host of issues I'd expect.
I completely understand if this is hard for you... I can't imagine what it's like and as a result can only write what I think it may be like. In which case it's most likely way off base. And I guess seeing it from your perspective maybe I would handle it differently if I were to write it now... if that makes sense.
I appreciate that you still read it regardless and I take onboard everything you have said.
You can't know this, but I was considering bringing the Oliver issue up again in Overcoming... I might rethink that now... We'll see.
Name: neddiheht (Signed) · Date: December 19, 2011 06:55 am · For: Chapter 1
That Noah would interpret Luke's actions as his usual jealousy is perfectly in character for him, but these scenes... they make me very sad because right now they are so happy, and Luke has been puzzling trying to figure out what's causing the nightmares, and for it to be THIS has to have Luke's heart torn to pieces.
Name: neddiheht (Signed) · Date: December 19, 2011 06:22 am · For: Chapter 1
I'm going to comment on this in detail, I am. But I have something I need to say by itself so I can be sure you see it.
This needs warnings in the author's notes. Prominent warnings. I know you don't want to give away the story, and I appreciate that. But this... this could be really triggering for some folks. As in triggering in a very bad way. We're talking about rape here, and... how can I say this. I don't want you to see this as an attack on your story, it's not.
While women are socialized to fear rape because it's such a real threat for them (I work at a women's college, the statistics are terrifying), men... men are socialized to believe that not only is it not a worry for them, but that it's not possible. That if it happens it's their fault for being weak. Because of Noah's past, I'd have to think that message would be particularly strong. That's part of why what you do here works. It's entirely believable that Noah would block it out or try to convince himself that it never happened or that it really meant something else, that somehow he consented.
Regardless, this has the potential for someone who didn't get the cues and clues left earlier to walk into it unexpectedly. And while many, even most would just have an "Aha" moment where things make sense, some people are going to have a more emphatically negative reaction.
I'm not trying to say treat the issue with kid gloves. But I got the cues and the clues. And my own self defense mechanisms as a survivor tried to gloss over those clues until it was dead center in the story and they couldn't. And I don't want you to feel badly about it, so I won't describe what my head did to me... but I do want you to put a warning in the author's notes.
Rather than feeling bad I feel really stupid! Thanks for knocking me awake and showing me this perspective, because to be honest I never thought about it before. I feel like an idot for that and so I'll add a warning as suggested.
Name: buttercup (Signed) · Date: June 12, 2011 06:30 pm · For: Chapter 2
OMG Nooooooooooo!!! This is awful ;o( I'm glad they have each other. They're going to need the love to get through this.
Yes... thank goodness this came back to Noah now with LUke there... rather than a few months before when they were apart! Can you imagine!!!?
Name: buttercup (Signed) · Date: June 12, 2011 06:16 pm · For: Chapter 1
I'm not liking the flashbacks. That doesn't sound good.
WOW 2 hot guys in tuxedos! Too bad we didn't get to SEE that!
Awwwwww so glad he mentioned Luke ;o) He is a huge part of Noah's success!
Oh shit, this doesn't bode well for the Oliver guy. Luke is going to kick his ass if he's done something to Noah!
Thanks for the amazing review's buttercup! I've really enjoyed reading them all...
I had a few people say they enjoyed the tuxedos! He he he!
Name: comicgirl (Signed) · Date: April 01, 2011 08:53 pm · For: Chapter 5
hurry up maddie
...and Jonathan... LOL... don't forget my little ginger head! He He! Thanks! :-)
Name: comicgirl (Signed) · Date: April 01, 2011 08:45 pm · For: Chapter 4
Name: comicgirl (Signed) · Date: April 01, 2011 08:29 pm · For: Chapter 3
oh no he's very creepy here we go again
Yes... Oliver is a serious worry that one!! LOL! Loved writing him though...
Name: daan73 (Signed) · Date: March 28, 2011 12:11 pm · For: Chapter 6
ooh gosh i remember this one from before
it really freaked me out the whole oliver stuff
i am so glad they got all the emotional figured out
althoug it will always be a part of them in a way
so good to see they can go trough almost any thing together
He he he! I actually LOVED writing Oliver... there's just something so fun about the bad guys! Yes this one is tough! But Oliver is by far my most evil character so far... so at least you know you won't come across another one...
Well up to Finding Light that is... LOL! Who knows what I'll write after that!
Name: sgrove (Signed) · Date: March 07, 2011 07:36 pm · For: Chapter 4
Where did you come up with this stuff....lovin every minute of it.....
I have NO IDEA where it comes from... sometimes it scares me a little :-) Thanks so much for letting me know how you feel about it! It means a lot to us writers to have people comment on the work... it makes the writing worth while!
Name: Santasorted (Signed) · Date: December 16, 2010 03:34 am · For: Chapter 6
So I've been away and got back to find this story all complete and ready for me and OMG!!! I almost died a couple of times! It's just incredible how you build the suspense! And then you still manage to keep all the lovely romantic moments between Luke and Noah! I really hope to read more soon!
And WTF!! How can Jonathan be Maddie's son? Can't wait!
Ahh! That's so nice of you! Thanks :-)
Name: Sidd (Signed) · Date: December 15, 2010 06:14 am · For: Chapter 6
Wow! Just wow! I love this story. I would like to read more of this one. :)
You are an amazing writer.
Thanks so much Sidd! It means a lot to hear that! Thanks for letting me know you enjoy my stories.
Name: tammynelson78 (Signed) · Date: December 15, 2010 06:07 am · For: Chapter 6
LOVED HOW NOAH POUNDED OLIVER....DESERVED BIG TIME!!!! IT'S SO ROMANTIC HOW NOAH CAME TO THE RESCUE FOR LUKE. HE LOVES AND DEEPLY CARES ABOUT HIM. THEIR LOVE IS EPIC....CAN'T WAIT FOR THEIR WEDDING.
ALSO, I HAVE ONE REQUEST FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS STORY....I'VE READ IN SOME OTHER STORIES OF HOW LUKE IS ABLE TO GET PREGNANT. CAN YOU PLEASE INCORRUPORATE THAT AS WELL? I SO WANT THEM TO HAVE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN TOGETHER....DESCRIBE IN DETAIL PLEASE.
YOU ARE AMAZING WRITER.
Yes! I thought you would like to see Oliver beaten up Tammy :-) Me too! Hee Hee! Thanks for the compliment as usual!
Name: 087blue (Signed) · Date: December 15, 2010 04:05 am · For: Chapter 6
bye bye oliver.maddie has a soon ?
Hi blue! Thanks for the comment!
Name: lety26 (Signed) · Date: December 14, 2010 08:42 pm · For: Chapter 6
that was an exciting finish! hopefully that filth Oliver is put away for good and can't hurt the boys anymore. Thankgodness for Jonathan and Maddie, arriving in time to help. Noah's attack on Oliver was scary... he almost lost himself there but Luke brought him back <3. I wanna hear Maddie's story too LOL. and AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW at the painting scene.
Hi lety! Another lovely comment from you! Thanks so much! I really do appreciate it!
Name: glori572 (Signed) · Date: December 14, 2010 07:50 pm · For: Chapter 6
wow, just when i think it's happily ever after you throw a cog in my wheel. WTF!!! how is maddie old enough to have a full grown son? can't wait to read what happens next. you've definately got my attention now. great fight scene by the way, i was with noah all the while that he was punching the crap out of that maniac.
You do make me chuckle! Thanks again for the comment!
Name: tammynelson78 (Signed) · Date: December 14, 2010 07:21 pm · For: Chapter 6
WOW, I JUST LOVE WHEN NOAH REALLY GETS PROTECTIVE OF LUKE!!! IT'S THE SEXIEST THING I CAN EVER READ EXCEPT FOR THEM TO BE MARRIED AND LUKE GET PREGNANT.
Name: sln188 (Signed) · Date: December 14, 2010 06:15 pm · For: Chapter 6
Great conclusion to this segment. And it sounds like there is a story brewing for Maddie. Of course the best part for me was back to "same here"! You are good!!
Hi Sin! Thanks for this lovely compliment! I've written Maddie's story so I hope you also enjoy that one! Plus I'm already onto the next one...
Name: pomeroy (Signed) · Date: December 14, 2010 06:25 am · For: Chapter 5
Wow...this is such an amazingly gripping series. Wonderfully written.
I just love how you describe the feelings of your characters and situations and happings.
I can't wait to read the next chapter.
Thanks so much Pomeroy! I'm so pleased you enjoy it!
Name: glori572 (Signed) · Date: December 13, 2010 06:26 pm · For: Chapter 5
DAMN!!!! just leave us hanging, why don't you! your killing me you know. i am literally on the edge of my seat reading this, then boom, it ends. i almost fell out of my chair. have to know what happens next, soon, please...i'm not to proud to beg. :}
Name: tammynelson78 (Signed) · Date: December 13, 2010 05:37 pm · For: Chapter 5
OMG!!! OLIVER IS A SICK, SICK MURDEROUS RAPIST!!!! I'M TERRIFIED FOR LUKE & NOAH. MY HEART IS POUNDING AGAINST MY CHEST (GOD YOU ARE A REALISTIC WRITER).
HOPE THE POLICE ARRIVE BEFORE OLIVER DOES SOMETHING TO LUKE.
Name: givemenuke22 (Signed) · Date: December 13, 2010 04:34 pm · For: Chapter 5
What!?!? HOLY FUCK!!! MORE SOON!!!